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Real Estate Net Gossip: Is Trulia black hatting and Overstock.com scraping listings from Vflyer?

real estate technology gossip

Because I love TMZ and The Superficial and because I just thought it would be fun to have an occasional real estate technology gossip piece - so, here are a couple of SEO related real estate rumors making their ways across the blogosphere.

Is Trulia cloaking pages?

Trulia Caught Cloaking Red Handed

Eric Bramlett catches Trulia in what appears by all accounts to be a serious case of cloaking.  Cloaking is an age old shady technique that based on user agent (i.e. GoogleBot, YahooSlurp, (robots) IE, Firefox (people)) serves one set of content to the search engine and another set of content to people visiting the site through regular browsers.  In this case, Eric shows how Trulia is using a redirect and cloaking to direct Google to Trulia's own Seattle Real Estate landing pages when it crawls Seattle Weekly's real estate section. This could be one of the possible cataysts to Trulia's recent jump on the engines in many major markets.  Basically, Trulia is boosting pageviews through partner sites and the techniques they are using while not necessarily evil it may be against Google's TOS.

Conspiracy Theories on Trulia's SEO

Is trulia cloaking? Interesting Sphin story

YouTube Video of Trulia Cloaking

Trulia.com Uses Hidden Text

Trulia's Web-ranking strategies catch heat | Inman News

Read also: White Hat, Gray Hat and Black Hat SEO Explained

What is cloaking? A more detailed explaination.

Cloaking is a black hat search engine optimization (SEO) technique in which the content presented to the search engine spider is different to that presented to the users' browser. This is done by delivering content based on the IP addresses or the User-Agent HTTP header of the user requesting the page. When a user is identified as a search engine spider, a server-side script delivers a different version of the web page, one that contains content not present on the visible page. The purpose of cloaking is to deceive search engines so they display the page when it would not otherwise be displayed. Read more from wkipedia

How to fake a higer PageRank or How to steal PageRank

Is Overstock.com scraping listings from Vflyer and other real estate sites?

Overstock.com seems to be scraping listings from the web and redisplaying them on their site without permission

Long Beach Listings on Overstock

Click on the first one (there is an inactive link at the bottom to Vflyer- likely where they scraped the listing from). Now click on each of the other listings - some go to Vflyer pages, some go to LiveDeal, some go to actual agent pages and others go to virtual tour pages. There are rumblings from unhappy Realtors that see their listings scraped and placed on Overstock without permission and without a link back to the agent's originating site or page.

Overstock.com Listing Page: Downtown Long Beach Short Sale

Vflyer Page: Downtown Long Beach Short Sale

See how this listing pulls all the text from a Vflyer but does not offer a live link back to the VFlyer source or the listing agent? I'm going to call this one a bit fishy.

*NOTE: it looks like Overstock are pullig legit data from Vast.com and possibly Google Base (which is fine), but where it gets shady are the pulls from VFlyer and scrapes from Realtor sites (even when they offer a link back), it ought to be opt in not "hey, I'm going to scrape your listings, advertising them on my site, maybe link back to and just wait for you to catch me and slap me on the wrist.

What is scraping?

A typical example application for web scraping is a web crawler that copies content from one or more existing websites in order to generate a scraper site. The result can range from fair use excerpts or reproduction of text and content, to plagiarized content. In some instances, plagiarized content may be used as an illicit means to increase traffic and advertising revenue. The typical scraper website generates revenue using Google AdSense, hence the term 'Made for AdSense' or MFA website. Read more from wikipedia

How to Slow Trulia and Zillow's Climb in Search Results

If you are concerned about Trulia, Zillow or any other number of monster sites ranking above you in your area,  DON'T LINK TO THEM.  If you have to link to them, use the nofollow tag.  Also, go back through your posts and see if you ever linked to them in past and either remove the link or place a nofollow on it.

What is the nofollow tag?

The nofollow tag instructs Google to not follow the link when crawling your site and removes any link juice you may have otherwise been giving these competitors. And yes, I have placed nofollows on links to them from my blog. That said, I don't have a problem with Trulia or Zillow- in fact, I think their technologies are cool and genuinely useful to consumers. However, I'm here to help real estate professionals, not your mega-site competitors. So, my best advice s to you go back through your posts and clean up any and all links you may have placed to them so as not be a catalyst of your own search engine demise. These companies may be bigger, with a greater volume of content, and professional SEOs working on their behalf 24/7, but you are agile and more relevant, so you do have the power to take back the SERPs with a few quick tricks like this one.

How to place a no follow on a link:

1.       Go into your post

2.       Switch to html view

3.       Find the link you want to change: it should look like this:

<a href="http://www.rsspieces.com">RSS Pieces</a>

4.       Add a nofollow by inserting the no follow tag into the link like so:

5.       <a href=http://www.rsspieces.com rel="nofollow">RSS Pieces</a>

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Mary.McKnight

Posted on June 30, 2008 00:01:23 by Blog Author Mary.McKnight - View Profile
Comment from: ben.ficker [Member] Email · http://www.portlandrealestateinvestmentgroup.com/
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ben.ficker

Great post Mary,


Out of curiosity, are their other types of sites that you recommend doing the "no follow" tag?  I mean, if I'm linking to other local sources, with lower page ranks or authority does that affect my site at all?  Thanks for your help...

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 02:44:30
Comment from: Laurie.Manny [Member] Email · http://www.longbeachrealestatehome.com
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Laurie.Manny

Interesting that an affiliate of Overstock has been attempting to negotiate with me for linkage from my site, to help promote a start up.  The page they set up was set up to look like a feed, but was obviously not and was not compliant with MLS regulations in that they did not disclose the listing agent information, nor are they authorized to take this information.  They took specific listings of mineand several others and scraped them from Vflyer and another source.  They also picked wisely, listings that were sending an inordinate amount of traffic.  I guess they decided that they were going to get that juice one way or the other.  They also went into the text of the listings and inserted links to Overstock product pages.   


Its getting very interesting out there.  Like a feeding frenzy.  Its a race to the top and the big boys are all competing.  While they need us and our product, they will run us over and leave us on the road as roadkill, with no regard.  It is a race to the finish and winning is all that matters. 


About 6 weeks ago I went through my site with a tool and detected and eliminated all links to Trulia, Zillow, Realtor, etc...  By the next day they had dropped several positions on the engines in my market.  Imagine what would happen if everybody dumped their links to them!  I took it a step further.  Realizing that many Realtors do not read the internet and have no clue, I sent an email to all of the Realtors in my market who have any placement on the engines and attempted to explain in plain English what the effect of linking to these sites was and why they should unlink to them.  I suggest you all do the same.


We may not be able to combat the brokers selling out the broker load to these monsters but we can put a dent in their game.  Stop contributing your keywords to them when you are on their sites. Stop linking to them.  Dismantle any existing links on your sites.


Next we need to educate the brokers on why they cut really bad deals with these companies.

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 07:46:38
Comment from: Laurie.Manny [Member] Email · http://www.longbeachrealestatehome.com
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Laurie.Manny

Need proof they are attempting to take over the engines?


Put LONG BEACH SHORT SALES into the Google search engine.  They have taken the #3 postion with one of my older scraped listings, and the #9 position with another of their sites for the phoney feed.

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 17:24:26
Comment from: Lenore Wilkas [Visitor] Email · http://www.SanMateoRealEstateNews.com
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As much as we all complain about NAR, what Overstock is doing is against all rules set out by NAR.  Perhaps we should start to push NAR to litiage against these big-boy sites.  Until someone or some agency sues them, they'll keep trying to push the envelope.  Cease and Desist works well.  I think it's time to go for it.  I have gone through my site and removed links to the big sites.  I haven't written much about any of them, and don't link to them for that reason.


Mary, should we all stop commenting on Trulia Voices and Zillow?  Would that help us and hurt them? 


 

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 18:55:29
Comment from: Mary.McKnight [Member] Email · http://www.rsspieces.com
Mary.McKnight

Lenore,


I never understad why anyone would want to build content for a competitor so yes- I would not recommend building content in any way for Zillow or Trulia - especially now that we see them doing well in the SERPs.  You have to look at them as your competition- if you wouldn't write for or link to the Realtor down the street - why would do it for Trulia and Zillow?  It never made sense to me.


What you have to consider is that it is Realtor content (listings and Voices) that built the volume of thier content.  So, if you think they are creeping up on you in the SERPs- take your links and content back.  Not to say this is the ultimate solution, but it's a start.


The overstock issue is completely different- they are flat out theving.

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 19:32:46
Comment from: hunter.jackson [Member] Email · http://www.columbiascrealestatehomes.com
hunter.jackson

It will definately be interesting to see how Trulia spins this.  Especially with the "trulia pro" release. And c'mon, even with Trulia pro you have a nofollow tag on your url.  Give me a break


 


Mary - Have you talked to Rudy yet about this? 

PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 22:37:28
Comment from: clarendon condos [Visitor] Email · http://www.justnewlistings.com/clarendon-va.html

Those of us consultants in the know should reach out to our company listservs and fellow realtors in our markets to deliver them the message/warning about linking to the giants and its long term impact.


 


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PermalinkPermalink June 30, 2008 22:41:06
Comment from: David G from Zillow.com [Visitor] Email · http://www.zillowblog.com

Mary,


I think you're being particularly unfair towards Zillow. Here are a few facts that I hope you would consider going forward ...


1) Zillow was not built on Realtors' content



Many RE sites are just playing the listings arbitrage game and add no value but that critique does not apply to Zillow. More than 4 million RE consumers were visiting Zillow.com each month BEFORE a single listing was ever posted on the site. Zillow built its audience on the back of its own proprietary content (namely Zestimate values etc.) and only after attracting a large audience did we turn around and give agents free access to the buyers and sellers on our site. This accusation certainly does not apply to Zillow. I'd apreciate it if you would consider correcting your post on this issue.


2) Zillow doesn't deserve SEO-revenge


Zillow does not employ sneaky tactics, like cloaking, that would abuse our partnerships for SEO purposes. Zillow is in fact the exception to the rule when it comes to helping our listing partners achieve their SEO objectives. On Zillow, agents receive full SEO credit for their listings (via followed links.) Listing on Zillow should improve your page rank (as long as you provide us a useful link to your listing.)


I hope you'd agree that it's unfair to drag Zillow into any vendetta against the sites that are undermining their partners' SEO efforts.


3) Zillow is not a competitor


Zillow is a media company, we don't broker RE transactions. And as I pointed out in #2, Zillow is one of the few RE media companies that has chosen not to use competitive tactics to outrank our broker partners in the SERPS.


4) Your advice, if followed, will break the web.


As my mom always used to say, "if they jump into the fire, does that mean you do too?"


The nofollow tag was never intended to be used in an anti-social way. I understand that some sites have set a very low bar for partnership and publishing by employing sneaky SEO tactics but I disagree with you that the apropriate response is to sink to their level. If everyone followed your advice, Google would literally not work and at that point, all the page rank you've acrued by sculpting would be worthless. Give it some thought.

PermalinkPermalink July 02, 2008 13:04:26
Comment from: Brett Tousley [Visitor] Email · http://www.brettsellshouses.com
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Thanks Mary, I've never even visited Overstock's site and didn't know they were even in the real estate listing biz.  Thanks for the info. 


I feel like I hit the jackpot when I just found your site!  Packed with good info for real estate agents wanting to stay ahead of the pack.

PermalinkPermalink July 03, 2008 15:17:48
Comment from: Eric Bramlett [Visitor] Email · http://www.ericbramlett.com/blog
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<blockquote>If you are concerned about Trulia, Zillow or any other number of monster sites ranking above you in your area, DON'T LINK TO THEM.</blockquote>


Well said.  This is the message that we hope agents take away.

PermalinkPermalink July 03, 2008 18:43:54
Comment from: Jamie Geiger [Visitor] Email · http://www.GilbertRealEstatehomes.com
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I will  be following you!!!  Mary- you give great incites to Realtor SEO and I appretiate all you help and advice

PermalinkPermalink July 05, 2008 23:37:04
Comment from: wayne helmore [Visitor] Email · http://www.sayermoore.co.uk/

A successful speculator is "a man who observes the future and acts before it occurs". Acting swiftly in the market is important.

PermalinkPermalink July 07, 2008 02:45:53
Comment from: Paul Francis, CRS [Visitor] Email · http://www.LasVegasRealEstateHome.com
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Mary,


Thanks for bringing this up and being able to explain it in plain English which you have such a great knack of doing. Whether Trulia wants to cloak or not, or other third party sites want to scrape content -- the really bad part of this whole thing is they are doing it with REALTORS content to get between REALTORS and consumers. 


Third Party Sites are not doing REALTORS any favors including REALTOR.com. ZERO.


"and only after attracting a large audience did we turn around and give agents free access to the buyers and sellers on our site"


David - I certainly respect what Z did to start up -- but I think it's a two way street. REALTORS are giving you content for those 4 million visitors to have a reason to come back. Really now, how many times am I going to come back and see what my Zestimate is? If you did not change a thing from day one, do you think your numbers would have gone up, down or remained the same?


I only quote that statement and bring it up because it's the perfect example of what REALTORS are being fed -- we have to be on these sites to help sell our listings. I've been promoting listings on these sites for quite some time, REALTOR.com for years with a peak of 37 listings at one time with multiple Featured Listings, and trust me, there are far more effective ways to sell real estate.


Yes, we need to be online -- but we do not need to be on sites looking to get between REALTORS and the consumer and using our content to do it. I've never seen a statistic that can make a claim that because you put the listing on R.com, Zillow or Trulia, that that is the reason a home sold. All you see is "over 75% of today's buyers are searching on the internet."


I would think Pictures, headlines and descriptions can technically be called intellectual property and REALTORS need to start treating it as such if third party sites are going to generate revenue from it. (ESPECIALLY if it is being used to game the rankings.) It's mushrooming up all across the internet because REALTORS allow it.


It is a two way street and the relationship needs to be respected. As soon as the trust is violated, pull the content and links from the site and let them do whatever black hat techniques they want because without the listings or content, there is little reason to come back -- even if they are #1 in the rankings.


Zillow is respecting the relationship -- Trulia has certainly blown it IMO.

PermalinkPermalink July 07, 2008 14:02:38
Comment from: Erik Hansen [Visitor] Email · http://www.OrlandoAreaDreamHomes.com
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I am guilty of a little tv/movie gossip watching, so I am excited to visit back again for a little real estate net gossip.  RSSPieces is a great blog site and I appreciate the tips and webinars put out there! 

Erik -- http://www.BlogAboutOrlando.com

PermalinkPermalink July 13, 2008 23:15:16
Comment from: KeyCanada [Visitor] Email · http://www.keycanada.com
I dont think it really all that surprising. All the big real estate companies are trying to create an advantage over their competitive and SEO is a pretty important factor. The question is does this really hurt Trulia? will they be penalized for their actions or will everyone forget this all happened a few months from now.
PermalinkPermalink August 21, 2008 16:46:57
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